POKEYMANS thread

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:16 pm

There is nothing in the world that kills the enjoyment of Pokemon for me more than people who play and talk about the games the way Koumei, Ogre, and Surgo do (constantly talking about what teams are awesome at winning tournaments or whatever the hell it is you're all doing, throwing around all that stupid lingo, etc.)

...Well, except for possibly Gen V. And event only Pokemon. And Japan.

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:23 pm

That's fine, because people being whiny bitches kill it for me.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:02 pm

Shrapnel wrote:There is nothing in the world that kills the enjoyment of Pokemon for me more than people who play and talk about the games the way Koumei, Ogre, and Surgo do (constantly talking about what teams are awesome at winning tournaments or whatever the hell it is you're all doing, throwing around all that stupid lingo, etc.)

Let's talk about something else then. I really love the lore of the Pokemon world, here's an article I wrote article 'bout the overarching theme of the Pokemon series, The Things Humanity Fights over
http://art-eater.com/2013/01/the-world- ... d-pokemon/

The themes are carried by the antagonist team of the generation

Team Rocket: Fighting for weapons, they create Mewtwo as the ultimate weapon. People like Lt. Surge and Koga talk about how they used to use Pokemon as weapons back in the bad old days.

Team Magma/Aqua: Fighting for territory, they seek out Groudon/Kyogre to gain the ultimate edge in real estate. The towns are themed after unique weather conditions and how humans deal with them, but when the weather goes awry the humans feel like they may be forced out of their homes to seek out more suitable locales.

Team Galactic: Fighting for energy, they believe Palkia and Dialga are the key to an infinite energy source. All the towns are themed after energy harvesting like coal, wind, solar, etc.

Team Plasma: Fighting for Belief, they believe their way of life is true and all others must be converted for the good of the world. The legendary pokemon are two halves of one being that was split because one of its masters believed in "Truth" while the other believed in "Ideals" and they came into conflict.

Team Plasma outright uses the Christian Chi-Ro as their logo

If dressing like crusaders wasn't enough

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:40 pm

What does Team Flare fight for, conformist and superficial superiority? Only the beautiful shall survive?

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:27 pm

Team Rocket is the best, because the game isn't built around them. Also they're mobsters rather than terrorists or supervillains and their plans don't involve legendaries (in the games it's not stated whether or not Team Rocket had anything to do with Mewtwo's creation, and their plans in-game certainly don't involve it.)

And fuck Team Plasma, seriously. They actually come off as being the best thing for the region despite apparently being a bunch of strawmen (for criticisms that were only really joked about by fans of the series) being led by a comic book villain because the leading authorities of the region (the Elite Four Champion, the regional Professor, etc.) are even more fucked up. "Do WHATEVER YOU WANT with your Pokemon," the Professor says. So abusing your Pokemon is A-OK according to the leading authorities in Unova. B/W is so fucked up that it couldn't avoid shooting its own message in the foot.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:11 am

Team Flare has cool uniforms, that's a plus. On the downside, it's run by a massive paedophile who just wants to reach his life goal of the world being filled with young children.

I agree on the "Team Rocket is best" bit. Just having them appear from time to time without stealing the whole plot, the cheesiness, and the fact that they're a really lame Yakuza, running a casino and everything.

Besides, the cartoon did them so much justice. A great many young adults (or not-so-young adults) could, having not seen the show since the first season first aired, recite their introduction if required.

Sadly, this requirement rarely crops up. Once a week or so, tops.

(Incidentally, I ran another joke team: Zubat, Golbat, Crobat, Woobat, Swoobat, Noibat. NO REPELS, NO ESCAPE ROPES, IT HURT ITSELF IN ITS CONFUSION, FINAL DESTINATION. All with Focus Sashes for extra laughs. They got clean-swept but my opponents all found it hilarious.)

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:56 am

No comment on the Team Flare outfits. In fact, almost every Team since Team Magmaqua has had stupid or even stupider costumes.

So, I want to get a Hidden Ability Vulpix and transfer it over to Y. Because Vulpix are adorable and I don't need another reason.

However, the only way to get one (at least, the only way that I know of) is to go into Hidden Grotto's in White2 and hope for the best.

The problem, however, is that the only place you can actually find Hidden Ability Vulpix's are in ONE particular Grotto in the Abundant Shrine (the one close to where the Youngster is running back and forth like a fool), and even there they have a tiny chance of being found (Items have a 40% chance of appearing, while Pokemon have a 20% chance of appearing. And the Grotto in question has the 20% broken down to: Amoonguss, 15%; Bronzor, 4%; and Vulpix, a measly 1%).

Now, I don't mind all of the waiting and patience that would be involved. What I do mind is the fact that Hidden Grotto's SUCK. If empty, a Grotto has a 5% chance of regenerating every 256 steps.

Basically, what are the odds of me finding a Vulpix, and how long would I have to keep at it? And if anyone knows a better and easier way of obtaining a Hidden Ability Vulpix, please let me know.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:31 am

Your odds are (1%*5%) per 256 steps, so 0.05%, so you "should" find one Vulpix per 512,000 steps.

Alternatively, you can use Friend Safari - find someone with Fire Type Safari and make sure they do in fact have Ninetales, sign on at the same time as them and you'll eventually get one with Drought.

Then you breed it, as there is a reasonable chance of the puppy having Drought.

If you can't Internet, then "hahaha fuck you", enjoy your half-million steps.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:57 am

Dammit. Of the God kind.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:09 am

The thing with Plasma is it's about how good intentions get abused, especially when you have a King Pope figure who runs the show. The actual 'prophesized messiah' figure does have genuinely good intentions but everyone around him is corrupt. And the dillema you have of "Everyone, free your Pokemon!" is that, well the guys who DON'T do it suddenly are the only guys with superpowered elemental demons on their side. It's a disarmament conundrum. There aren't any easy solutions because bad people can always cheat the system. Pokemon BW's message is that you can't view the world as Black and White or even your good intentions can hurt others.

Shrapnel wrote:What does Team Flare fight for, conformist and superficial superiority? Only the beautiful shall survive?

I haven't played through XY so it's not as detailed but while Plasma had a moral justification and claimed to be saving the world, Flare is doing it for the sake of their tastes. Keeping in mind that XY takes place in France and the main city of Paris, it's an "art for art's sake" kind of deal. Pretty much with every Pokemon game it gets closer to turning into its predecessor, Shin Megami Tensei. I'm positive that's where they got the whole "Here's a computer device to talk to demons, and you can transfer them through a PC" element. Both games have a professor dude give you a pokedex to go catalog the demons who have a variety of weakness and resistences to your team of 6 demons+yourself, cept SMT is a few years older.

His name is Professor Steven

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:59 pm

OgreBattle wrote:The thing with Plasma is it's about how good intentions get abused, especially when you have a King Pope figure who runs the show. The actual 'prophesized messiah' figure does have genuinely good intentions but everyone around him is corrupt. And the dillema you have of "Everyone, free your Pokemon!" is that, well the guys who DON'T do it suddenly are the only guys with superpowered elemental demons on their side. It's a disarmament conundrum. There aren't any easy solutions because bad people can always cheat the system. Pokemon BW's message is that you can't view the world as Black and White or even your good intentions can hurt others.

That's fucking idiotic, though, because the old regime running things is legitimately worse than the revolutionaries (who just want to have all the weapons so they can run things, which at worst is as bad as the people who have Pokemon stronger than anyone else's and thus effectively have a monopoly on force. At best it's a marked improvement over the current guys because they really are OK with abusing Pokemon.) And in the end you ruin the one actually good (although still annoying as all fuck) person in Unova's life and hand over the world back to the fucking pedophile. That is fucking depressing. Think about it:

me, from before there was a POKEYMANS Thread wrote:

I mean, the people of Unova seem like they get off on Pokemon getting hurt (Mom: "I heard their cries from down here (excitedly, after your first battle with your annoying as fuck rivals,)" Professor Boobs Juniper: "People should be able to do anything with their Pokemon," and Random Pokemon Trainer: "We don't know what Pokemon are saying, so we don't know what they like or dislike.")

(Also Hideously Deformed Akuma Clone Alder is clearly a pedophile, and possibly another Pokemon Molester given that he stalks Annoying 5 Hour Monologue Rival Cheren everywhere and is obsessed with what he does and plans to do, and also seems wayyy too happy with you and Cheren beating the shit out of kindergarteners... that was the most fucked up thing ever, not the battle as much as how much Alder got off on it)

So N, this child prodigy, sees how fucked up this shithole Unova is and legitimately wants to improve it (if just for the sake of the Pokemon; I don't blame him for that, all the humans from Unova are assholes) by making sure the people of Unova don't have Pokemon to jerk off to beating the shit out of each other (now, his ideas are still stupid, but there have been games where you play a Trainer who steals Pokemon from bad people so they can't be used for bad things, or people who befriend wild Pokemon rather than capture them and focus their efforts on helping Pokemon out and now these are bad since it's not the player doing it, which is even stupider) and he tries to befriend you on the basic merit that you're a player character and can't talk your Pokemon actually seem to like you, and you don't seem to want to molest abuse them.

And then you beat the shit out of him, right after he's defeated the Champion and almost achieved his life's work, and then his father figure Ghestis appears and tells him he's a failure, and Team Plasma is a lie.

Then you beat the shit out of Ghestis, and Alder says to the guy who's literally just had his whole life ruined, "What do you think of Pokemon now?"

That is like the most dick thing ever to say to someone.

Basically you are complicit in completely destroying the one remotely decent (if just as annoying as all the other rambling, moralizing characters save Cheren, who is possibly the most annoying video game character ever and makes me want to kill whenever I hear him babble) human being in Unova.

Also, the super fucked up part where Annoying Companion #2 Bianca's father is concerned with letting his incompetent adolescent daughter wander around a world with wild Pokemon that do heavens knows what to people without Pokemon, and people that steal Pokemon from stupid Trainers, whom have stolen from her before, and he's made out to be bad and selfish for being concerned for his child's safety (then again, she did deserve to die for being so annoying.)

I mean, I can see where the "you need to tolerate everyone" message came from, but it comes off as Both Sides BS since pretty much everyone is an idiot with stupid ideas in the game.

I'd be totally cool with a Pokemon game where the "villainous team" is actually the good guys, if that was what the fuck they were trying to go for. Hell, I'd love a game where you did that, and by beating the Elite Four were overthrowing a corrupt regime. But that is not what Black/White is. Black/White is a Pokemon game where you're the goon for a corrupt regime that uses Pokemon to enforce its will (that gives you no credit for your accomplishments) taking down guys that range from moderately better than the existing gov't (Ghetsis) to much better (N).

TL;DR: There is nothing good or clever about Black/White's "story". It is a piece of shit that shoots itself in the face while having its foot in its mouth and its head up its ass simultaneously. Whoever came up with it can go fuck themselves on a rusty doorknob.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:15 pm

So, doing some calculations regarding the 512,000 steps thing, I have found that that would be equivalent to using 2048 Max Repels (which I use to measure when I've gone the prerequisite 256 steps).

You can't even have over 2000 of any item. The game caps at 999. What the ever-loving fuck. So I hereby rescind my statement about not minding the amount of time it would take to find a Hidden Ability Vulpix in White2.

So, with that in mind, how would I go about finding someone with a Vulpix-laden Fire Friend Safari?

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:36 pm

Make lots of friends online - or you could go onto facebook, post your friendcode and specifically request "anyone with Vulpix in their Friend Safari". That's how I got a bunch of handy things.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:57 am

So, I'm desperate to get a Manaphy, Mew and Shaymin (as they, aside from Tornadus and Landorus, are the only Pokemon I need to get to complete the National Pokedex). Thus, I am going to buy them on eBay, because there is literally nothing you cannot buy there. Except rare Japanese and European Transformers, but that's for another thread.

Anyway, I'm unsure how this works. I see some of them saying they are "guides", and I'm not really sure what the hell that means. I mean, do the seller and I exchange Friend Codes and trade them that way, or what?

Some help on this matter would be awesome. Unless one of you has a Manaphy, Mew, or Shaymin, in which case could you help a brother out?

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:45 am

It depends on the price that you're paying for these pokemon, but consider just getting a DSTwo yourself and then using ROMs + action replay codes to get yourself a manaphy egg on diamond/perl. Also, you could get Shaymin that way. And you could activate the Mew event on a HG/SS game. Creates pokemon that seem totally legit, and you don't have to deal with any shady internet people.

Well, less shady internet people at least.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:12 am

I gots Pokemon Dream Radar, with the reasoning behind said purchase being that I can thusly obtain Tornadus and Landorus without having to go through all of the Black/White trading bullshit that would usually be necessary.

On the one hand, the things a bitch to use, and on the other, every Pokemon I've caught in it has been a Hidden Ability Munna. Floral print elephant POWER!

Also, the scientist lady in it is pretty hot, so I guess that's a plus/

Wiseman · Post by **Wiseman** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:50 pm

Shrapnel wrote:There is nothing in the world that kills the enjoyment of Pokemon for me more than people who play and talk about the games the way Koumei, Ogre, and Surgo do (constantly talking about what teams are awesome at winning tournaments or whatever the hell it is you're all doing, throwing around all that stupid lingo, etc.)

...Well, except for possibly Gen V. And event only Pokemon. And Japan.

I really only ever play to beat the game and capture any Pokemon that I think are cool. Past that, I tend to lose interest.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:15 pm

You clearly don't know how to play Pokemon, noob. You need a OV IV EV PEP CIA team comprised of sweepers and STAB bonuses and crush the opponent in a joyless and sexually repressed manner.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:52 am

So apparently, in the original games, there is data hidden away for you to battle Professor Oak - he was probably meant to be a post-game battle. His team is basically the same as your rival, except higher level - Tauros, Gyarados, Exeggutor, Fully-Evolved-Starter (the one that neither you nor your rival chose, it didn't just wither away in its pokeball for eternity) and Arcanine. In the high sixties level range. You need to use a glitch (Ditto glitch?) to access the battle, however.

The hilarious thing is the move lists. He didn't just make up moves for them (hi, Lance!) and he also didn't just take four random moves. Oh no. In some cases there are only three moves on a level almost-70 pokemon. So he deliberately went to the Move Deleter so Exeggutor could only know Hypnosis, Stomp and Barrage.

That takes a special kind of dedication. He is my hero forever.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:47 pm

I remember that; you could access him via Gameshark as well.

AndreiChekov · Post by **AndreiChekov** » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:40 pm

There is a faster way to get a vulpix. I can get you one cause I have a ton of them. I don't know exactly what is required for that sort of trade, so I will have to investigate the internet.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:14 pm

Would said Vulpix have it's hidden ability, Drought?

AndreiChekov · Post by **AndreiChekov** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:55 am

Yes, said Vulpix would have drought. Otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. Can read.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:19 pm

Eh, I was half-asleep when I read your post, so the neurons weren't exactly firing.

Anyway, shall we exchange Friend Codes and commence trading?

AndreiChekov · Post by **AndreiChekov** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:48 am

I assumed that team flair is meant to be some sort of nazi thing. Eliminating those that are different. They have very specific rules for who can enter their club, and they all look the same, and they want to eliminate everything that isn't cool.

My code is 0605 5539 2532. You will have to schedule an appointment with my secretary to actually trade with me. Luckily, I am my secretary.